must have been mid to late 1970s.. it was when they still published the speakers' names on the light-blue circuit assembly programs.. i was a child sitting in the audience at ashland avenue's circuit assembly venue.
i loved that place with it's own basement cafeteria and baptism pool with a big jesus getting baptized mural behind it.. samuel herd was giving the talk.
my child self could only remember my father pointing him out on the program.
We attended the 7900 S. Ashland Chicago, IL Assembly Hall in the 1970's. It was scary back 40 years ago. Here is a screen shot of the property in 2018.
We traveled to Ashland Ave from northwest Indiana when I was a teenager. Scary, scary neighborhood!
there is a difference between the leadership of the borg (gb 2.5, is that what they're on now?
) and the sheeples, that for a variety of reasons, stick with this nonsense.. not every jw publisher believes this stuff.
the gb knows this.
This cult isn't about improving your relationship with god.
AllTimeJeff : I was at a Ministry School Meeting ( ten years ago ) and listened to two sisters making a field service presentation. The sister made her usual spiel to the householder and took out an older 190 page book for her to read.
I sat there and it finally hit me right in the face. Why would this householder be interested in this 10 year old book .. a book she would never understand and have little interest. Why not just read some insightful Bible scriptures to the householder?
Now, I figured it out! This book was offered because of large inventory at the warehouses, not because of subject matter. ( they probably had so many 190 page books that collecting dust )
This WTBTS is nothing but a religious corporation. It has a 8 member board and answers to no one. They send out Missionaries, Pioneers, Circuit and District Overseers, and have Elders make sure the rules and all regulations are enforced. Most labor is free: from factory, warehouse, Kingdom Hall, Convention Halls and the Warwick Headquarters construction. Also,there is the buying and selling of real estate, large money contributions and no accounting on where all this money goes.
As you said: The motives of the Sheeples class is not what this is about. Simply put, it's about the leadership
The only thing they give in return to its members is ....the carrot and the stick of the '' new paradise'' and false promises.
the watchtower society has always been headed by narcissistic control freaks.
scriptures as a front for their human agendas ( have the power so they can control its members ).
they twist and manipulate scriptures to fit it in with their ideas and controlling ways.
genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.
10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.
I mean, c'mon, what's the point? When is mankind going to bet a break from God's never ending mismanaged disaster tour?
Just like the never ending final tour from KISS and Cher, this final tour of Satan and his Demons finally ends at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
After finally making it to Paradise and having to attend another 1000 years of Kingdom Hall meetings, now Satan and his Demons are coming after me again with fury. For some reason, God has to test me again for my loyalty. Talk about an insecure God!
Why doesn't Satan ever go away? Why does God need to test me even more?
What a bunch of crock!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqswew8pva.
What do you wish to accomplish with all your videos?
Is it therapeutic for the both of you?
How do you know these videos help anyone trying escape this tyrannical organization? Do you get any feedback?
Do you realize that no matter how many internet sites, books, youtube videos, and lawsuits against the Watchtower, people will not leave until they are mentally ready?
Thank you both
genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.
10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.
So, what did God ( supposedly ) solve by wiping out wicked humans in Noah's day and having all the new descendants with the same DNA ( WICKEDNESS ) ? Why even bother wiping out those evil humans when new descendants would be no better?
genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.
10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.
fulltimestudent:
So yes! drunkeness and sexual sin soon returned to the cleansed earth. Re-introduced by the family saved through the destructive flood.
This biblical story reminds me of a WHO song:
LYRICS FROM '' WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN ''
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.
10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.
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I always wonder why God has to "destroy" things. Can't he just make it disappear? Why destroy?
redvip2000
Instead he decides to have a peasant build a gigantic boat -- with the angels sitting around watching again - and then once he finishes, decides to wipe out all animals and plant life and destroy entire ecosystems.
Ananias and Sapphira were immediately struck dead ( a fast and easy death) because they held back money from the congregation.
Why didn't God do the same in Noah's Flood? Why wipe out animals, plant life, and every living thing when you can easily have all wicked humans expire ( heart attack ????) like Ananias and Sapphira?
genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.
10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.
GENESIS 6: 9-13
9 This is the account of Noah and his family.
Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.
11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
This silly story makes no sense!
God destroys people that are violent and wicked. He destroys animals, humans, and everything alive except Noah and his family.
They start a new life but violence and wickedness continue from his generation to today. It's worse today with more humans on earth.
So, what was accomplished by destroying everything if it starts all over again? Unless God had plans to make things better does this story make sense.
feeling pressure to attend the memorial?.
as a former elder i write this response to hopefully help those genuinely feeling “guilt” before their god.
if you are a jehovah’s witness or an “ex-jw” (for example, disfellowshipped or lapsed), then i hope that this will be of help to you.
Fay Dehr
Great thread and research article!
You said: As a former elder I write this response to hopefully help those genuinely feeling “guilt” before their God.
As you know, Elders are used by the Watchtower Society to teach, discipline, and carry out all functions of the Society. One major function is hold the yearly Memorial. This day is used to show Theocratic Arrangement. The Memorial is just a showing to all its members who is in control. Without fear of Governing Body and the so-called 144,000, the whole religion crumbles. No one really needs to attendance. But, the the Society uses this day to show its power over each non-partaker.
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